Prove, 2^n×3k+1

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3k+1 is prime number

Prove that for all positive integers n there is no such k which would make always a prime number in this 2^n*3k+1
 
3k+1 is prime number

Prove that for all positive integers n there is no such k which would make always a prime number in this 2^n*3k+1
As you posted it - the term in question is:

2^n * 3k + 1​

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Your translation is very poor. Do you mean you are supposed to prove

[MATH]\text {Given that } k,\ n \in \mathbb Z^+ \text { and } 3k + 1 \text { is prime} \implies\\ (2^n * 3k) + 1 \text { is not prime.}[/MATH]But that simply is not true.

If k = 2, then 3k + 1 = 7, which is prime.

If n = 1, then 2^1 * 3k + 1 = 2 * 6 + 1 = 13, which is prime.
 
I suspect that the expression should be 2^n*(3k+1).
Clearly 2 | 2^n*(3k+1), so 2^n*(3k+1) is not prime. Is that what you want?
 
I suspect that the expression should be 2^n*(3k+1).
Clearly 2 | 2^n*(3k+1), so 2^n*(3k+1) is not prime. Is that what you want?
I thought about that too. But that question is just plain idiotic.
 
3k+1 is prime number

Prove that for all positive integers n there is no such k which would make always a prime number in this 2^n*3k+1
Lupik - you came back to visit the site/question ~8 hours ago - yet, you did not respond !!
 
Your translation is very poor. Do you mean you are supposed to prove

[MATH]\text {Given that } k,\ n \in \mathbb Z^+ \text { and } 3k + 1 \text { is prime} \implies\\ (2^n * 3k) + 1 \text { is not prime.}[/MATH]But that simply is not true.

If k = 2, then 3k + 1 = 7, which is prime.

If n = 1, then 2^1 * 3k + 1 = 2 * 6 + 1 = 13, which is prime.
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Your translation is very poor. Do you mean you are supposed to prove

[MATH]\text {Given that } k,\ n \in \mathbb Z^+ \text { and } 3k + 1 \text { is prime} \implies\\ (2^n * 3k) + 1 \text { is not prime.}[/MATH]But that simply is not true.

If k = 2, then 3k + 1 = 7, which is prime.

If n = 1, then 2^1 * 3k + 1 = 2 * 6 + 1 = 13, which is prime.
The goal is to prove that you cant find any k for which whould ve this expression always prime number for all value of positive integer n.
 
You are not doing well on clarifying your question.

Is k restricted to positive integers?

Is the expression

[MATH]x = 2^n * (3k + 1)[/MATH] or [MATH]x = (2^n * 3k) + 1[/MATH]?

In the first case, x is clearly the product of two positive integers, and the proof is trivial.

In the second case, you cannot prove your proposition because it is FALSE!

For example, if n = 1 and k = 2

[MATH]x = (2^1 * 3 * 2) + 1 = 12 + 1 = 13, [/MATH] which is a PRIME.
 
The expression is
[MATH]x=(2^n*3k)+1[/MATH]n is starting from zero and going to infinity and you have to show that you cant find positive integer k for which would all values of expression
n=1
[MATH](2^1*3k)+1[/MATH]n=2
[MATH](2^2*3k)+1[/MATH]...
n=infinity
make always a prime number
 
The expression is
[MATH]x=(2^n*3k)+1[/MATH]n is starting from zero and going to infinity and you have to show that you cant find positive integer k for which would all values of expression
n=1
[MATH](2^1*3k)+1[/MATH]n=2
[MATH](2^2*3k)+1[/MATH]...
n=infinity
make always a prime number
Ahh i get it it now. Prove that

[MATH]\text {There is no positive integer k such that}\\ (2^n * 3k) + 1 \text { is prime for every positive integer } n.[/MATH]Consequently, my example was flawed.

[MATH]k = 2 \text { and } n = 2 \implies (2^n * 3k) + 1 = (4 * 6) + 1 = 25, \text { not prime.}[/MATH]
Do I finally have it?
 
Ahh i get it it now. Prove that

[MATH]\text {There is no positive integer k such that}\\ (2^n * 3k) + 1 \text { is prime for every positive integer } n.[/MATH]Consequently, my example was flawed.

[MATH]k = 2 \text { and } n = 2 \implies (2^n * 3k) + 1 = (4 * 6) + 1 = 25, \text { not prime.}[/MATH]
Do I finally have it?
Yeah you got it, I was thinking about this a lot and still I dont know how to prove that.
 
I have not found a proof either.

But if k = 1 and n = 1, x = 7
k = 1 and n = 2, x = 13
k = 1 and n = 3, x = 25 perfect square

k = 2 and n = 1, x = 13
k = 2 and n= 2, x = 25 perfect square
k = 2 and n = 3, x = 49 perfect square

k = 3 and n = 1, x = 19
k = 3 and n = 2, x = 37
k = 3 and n = 3, x = 73
k = 3 and n = 4, x = 137
k = 3 and n = 5, x = 289 perfect square

Those perfect squares look intriguing. (Of course, it may be a false clue.)
 
I have not found a proof either.

But if k = 1 and n = 1, x = 7
k = 1 and n = 2, x = 13
k = 1 and n = 3, x = 25 perfect square

k = 2 and n = 1, x = 13
k = 2 and n= 2, x = 25 perfect square
k = 2 and n = 3, x = 49 perfect square

k = 3 and n = 1, x = 19
k = 3 and n = 2, x = 37
k = 3 and n = 3, x = 73
k = 3 and n = 4, x = 137
k = 3 and n = 5, x = 289 perfect square

Those perfect squares look intriguing. (Of course, it may be a false clue.)
Also there is still condition
[MATH]3k+1=[/MATH]Prime number
So k must be even number.
 
Also there is still condition
[MATH]3k+1=[/MATH]Prime number
So k must be even number.
No, k does not have to be even because, as you have framed the question, we are dealing with

[MATH](2^n * 3k) + 1.[/MATH] The term in parentheses is even because it is stipulated that n > 0.
 
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Consider [MATH]p=3k+1[/MATH] prime,
then [MATH](3k+1)2^n \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p
[MATH]3k(2^n)+2^n \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p
[MATH]3k(2^n)+1+2^n-1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p

Let [MATH]n=3k[/MATH]:
[MATH]3k(2^{3k})+1+2^{3k}-1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p (*)
Now [MATH]2^{3k}-1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p (by Fermat's Little Theorem, and the fact that [MATH]p=3k+1>2[/MATH]).
(Fermat's Little Theorem [MATH]\rightarrow 2^{p-1}-1\equiv 0[/MATH] mod p prime >2))

So (*) [MATH]\rightarrow 3k(2^{3k})+1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p
I.e. this is composite (since [MATH]>3k+1[/MATH])
 
In fact we don't need [MATH]3k+1[/MATH] to be prime.

Prove that [MATH]\,\forall k\in \mathbb{Z^+}\hspace1ex \exists n: \, k(2^n)+1[/MATH] is composite

Obviously true for k=1 (e.g. n=3)
Consider k>1, then (a) [MATH]\exists[/MATH] p prime >2: [MATH]\,p|(k+1)[/MATH] or (b) [MATH]k+1=2^m[/MATH] for some [MATH]m>1[/MATH]
Taking the first case, (a):
[MATH](k+1)2^n \equiv0[/MATH] mod p
[MATH]k(2^n)+1 + 2^n -1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p

Let [MATH]n=p-1[/MATH][MATH]k(2^{p-1}) + 1 + 2^{p-1} -1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p
[MATH]2^{p-1}-1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p (since p>2)
[MATH]\therefore k(2^{p-1}) + 1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p

[MATH]k(2^{p-1}) + 1>2^p>p \hspace1ex \therefore k(2^{p-1})+1[/MATH] is composite.

Taking the second case, (b):
[MATH]k+1=2^m[/MATH] (m>1 since k>1) and we want to find n: [MATH]k(2^n)+1[/MATH] is composite, i.e. [MATH](2^m-1)(2^n)+1[/MATH] is composite.
[MATH](2^m-1)(2^n)+1 = 2^{m+n}-2^n+1[/MATH]
Let n=m+2
[MATH]2^{m+n}-2^n+1=2^{2(m+1)}-2(2^{m+1})+1\\ =(2^{m+1}-1)^2[/MATH]which is composite (m>1).
 
In fact we don't need [MATH]3k+1[/MATH] to be prime.

Prove that [MATH]\,\forall k\in \mathbb{Z^+}\hspace1ex \exists n: \, k(2^n)+1[/MATH] is composite

Obviously true for k=1 (e.g. n=3)
Consider k>1, then (a) [MATH]\exists[/MATH] p prime >2: [MATH]\,p|(k+1)[/MATH] or (b) [MATH]k+1=2^m[/MATH] for some [MATH]m>1[/MATH]
Taking the first case, (a):
[MATH](k+1)2^n \equiv0[/MATH] mod p
[MATH]k(2^n)+1 + 2^n -1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p

Let [MATH]n=p-1[/MATH][MATH]k(2^{p-1}) + 1 + 2^{p-1} -1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p
[MATH]2^{p-1}-1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p (since p>2)
[MATH]\therefore k(2^{p-1}) + 1 \equiv 0[/MATH] mod p

[MATH]k(2^{p-1}) + 1>2^p>p \hspace1ex \therefore k(2^{p-1})+1[/MATH] is composite.

Taking the second case, (b):
[MATH]k+1=2^m[/MATH] (m>1 since k>1) and we want to find n: [MATH]k(2^n)+1[/MATH] is composite, i.e. [MATH](2^m-1)(2^n)+1[/MATH] is composite.
[MATH](2^m-1)(2^n)+1 = 2^{m+n}-2^n+1[/MATH]
Let n=m+2
[MATH]2^{m+n}-2^n+1=2^{2(m+1)}-2(2^{m+1})+1\\ =(2^{m+1}-1)^2[/MATH]which is composite (m>1).
Nice, great work!
 
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