# Word Problem---Need help setting it up!!?!?!!?

#### kemccla

##### New member
Jim can filla pool carrying buckets of water in 30 minutes. Sue can do the same job in 45 minutes. TOny can do the same job in 1.5 hrs. How quickly can all three fill the pool together?

How do you set this problem up to work it out?

#### arthur ohlsten

##### Full Member
This type of problem can be solved if you think of rates and adding rates

let P be the volume of the pool in buckets.
jims rate = P/30
sues rate= P/45
tonys rate =P/90

total rate = P/30+P/45+P/90
time to fill pool at this rate is P/[P/30+P/45+P/90] place denominator over common denominator
time ={ P/[3P+2P+P]/90}
time = 90P/6P
time=15 minutes

Arthur

#### TchrWill

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kemccla said:
Jim can filla pool carrying buckets of water in 30 minutes. Sue can do the same job in 45 minutes. TOny can do the same job in 1.5 hrs. How quickly can all three fill the pool together?

How do you set this problem up to work it out?

Problems of this type are solvable by either of the following methods.

Samples:
<< If it takes me 2 hours to paint a room and you 3 hours, ow long will it take to paint it together? >>

Method 1:

1--A can paint the house in 5 hours.
2--B can paint the house in 3 hours.
3--A's rate of painting is 1 house per A hours (5 hours) or 1/A (1/5) houses/hour.
4--B's rate of painting is 1 house per B hours (3 hours) or 1/B (1/3) houses/hour.
5--Their combined rate of painting is 1/A + 1/B (1/5 + 1/3) = (A+B)/AB (8/15) houses /hour.
6--Therefore, the time required for both of them to paint the 1 house is 1 house/(A+B)/AB houses/hour = AB/(A+B) = 5(3)/(5+3) = 15/8 hours = 1 hour-52.5 minutes.

Note - T = AB/(A + B), where AB/(A + B) is one half the harmonic mean of the individual times, A and B.

Method 2:

Consider the following diagram -

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1--Let c represent the area of the house to be painted.
2--Let A = the number of hours it takes A to paint the house.
3--Let B = the number of hours it takes B to paint the house.
4--A and B start painting at the same point but proceed in opposite directions around the house.
5--Eventually they meet in x hours, each having painted an area proportional to their individual painting rates.
6--A will have painted y square feet and B will have painted (c-y) square feet.
7--From the figure, A/c = x/y or Ay = cx.
8--Similarly, B/c = x/(c-y) or by = bc - cx.
9--From 7 & 8, y = cx/a = (bc - cx)/b from which x = AB/(A+B), one half of the harmonic mean of A and B.

I think this should give you enough of a clue as to how to solve your particular problem.

Three people version

It takes Alan and Carl 40 hours to paint a house, Bill and Carl 80 hours to paint the house, and Alan and Bill 60 hours to paint the house. How long, to the nearest minute, will it take each working alone to paint the house and how long will it take all three of them working together to paint the house?

1--The combined time of two efforts is derived from one half the harmonic mean of the two individual times or Tc = AB/(A + B), A and B being the individual times of each participant.
2--Therefore, we can write
AC/(A + C) = 40 or AC = 40A + 40C (a)
BC/(B + C) = 80 or BC = 80B + 80C (b)
AB/(A + B) = 60 or AB = 60A + 60B (c)
3--From (a) and (c), 40C/(C - 40) = 60B/(B - 60)
4--Cross multiplying, 40BC - 2400C = 60BC - 2400B or BC = 120(B - C)
5--Equating to (b) yields 120(B - C) = 80(B + C)
6--Expanding and simplifying, 40B = 200C or B = 5C
7--Substituting into (b), 5C^2 = 400C + 80C = 480C making 5C = 480 or C = 96.
8--Therefore, B = 480 and A = 68.571
9--The combined working time of three individual efforts is derived from Tc = ABC/(AB + AC + BC)
10--Therefore, the combined time for all three to paint the house is
Tc = 68.571(480)96/[(68.571x480) + (68.571x96) + 480x96)) = 36.923 hours = 36 hr - 55.377 min