A hurried shopper used a calculator to add up his purchases.

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I was given the following question for homework and I cannot figure it out! please help!! its due at 8 am tomorrow!!!

A hurried shopper in a hardware store used a calculator to add up his purchases. Carelessly, he presses x each times instead of +. Amazingly, after the first three purchases, the calculator shows the correct sum. When he enters the price of the fourth item and presses x again, the calculator shows the correct sum of all four items. All prices are different and no fractions of a cent are used. What are the four prices? (Hint: A perfect number is involved.)
 
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Hello, kmlear!

I've run into a wall . . . What's wrong with my reasoning?


A hurried shopper in a hardware store used a calculator to add up his purchases.
Carelessly, he presses \(\displaystyle \times\) each time instead of \(\displaystyle +\).
Amazingly, after the first three purchases, the calculator shows the correct sum.
When he enters the price of the fourth item and presses \(\displaystyle \times\) again,
. . the calculator shows the correct sum of all four items.
All prices are different and no fractions of a cent are used.

What are the four prices? .(Hint: A perfect number is involved.)

Let the four prices be: \(\displaystyle a,b,c,d.\)

\(\displaystyle \text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccc}a + b + c &=& abc & [1] \\a + b + c + d &=& abcd & [2] \end{array}\)

\(\displaystyle \text{Substitute [1] into [2]: }\;abc + d \:=\:abcd \quad\Rightarrow\quad abcd - abc \:=\:d\)

. . . . . \(\displaystyle abc(d-1) \:=\:d \quad\Rightarrow\quad abc \:=\:\frac{d}{d-1}\)

\(\displaystyle \text{Since }abc\text{ is an integer, }d = 2.\)


\(\displaystyle \text{Then we have: }\;\begin{array}{cccc}a + b + c &=& abc & [1] \\ a + b + c + 2 &=& 2abc & [3] \end{array}\)

\(\displaystyle \text{Substitute [1] into [3]: }\;abc + 2 \:=\:2abc \quad\Rightarrow\quad abc \:=\:2\)


\(\displaystyle \text{Now we want three }distinct\text{ integers whose product is 2 . . . ??}\)

 
The problem says a perfect number is involved. Within reason for a hardware store list, the first few are 6, 28, 496. Perhaps 8128 as well.

Use those somehow with a little trial and error if nothing else works. The problem says, "no fractions of a CENT" may be used. Therefore, I assume we can use fractions of a dollar. Which would mean the solutions are not all integers, but can have two decimal places. This looks similar to the famous 7-11 problem. Where the guy buys 4 items that add to and the same as if they were multiplied. In the 7-11 case, the numbers are 1.20, 1.25, 1.50, 3.16

Now, the problem says there is a perfect number involved. Perhaps set it equal to 6, 28, 496 instead of 7.11?.

Google the 7-11 problem. You can easily find it and get some ideas. Here is one:

http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt725/Class ... Seven.html
 
Methinks "perfect number" here simply means exactly; like exactly 7.11
 
kmlear said:
I was given the following question for homework and I cannot figure it out! please help!! its due at 8 am tomorrow!!!

A hurried shopper in a hardware store used a calculator to add up his purchases. Carelessly, he presses x each times instead of +. Amazingly, after the first three purchases, the calculator shows the correct sum. When he enters the price of the fourth item and presses x again, the calculator shows the correct sum of all four items. All prices are different and no fractions of a cent are used. What are the four prices? (Hint: A perfect number is involved.)

Based on the wise words of galactus, I offer you the following.

<< A customer at a 7-11 store selected 4 items to buy, and was told that the cost was $7.11. He was curious that the cost was the same as the store name, so he inquired as to how the figure was derived. The clerk said that he had simply multiplied the prices for the 4 induvidual items.The customer protested that the 4 prices should have been ADDED, not MULTIPLIED. The clerk said that that was okay with him, but the result was still the same, exactly $7.11 What were the prices of the four items? >>


The prime factorization of 711,000,000 is 2^6(5^6)3^2(79^1) which results in 294 factors/divisors making it impossible to take the trial and error approach in the hope of hitting on the desired 4 numbers. Therefore,

1--Converting the $7.11 to 711 cents, we are left with the problem of finding four factors of 711,000,000 that add up to 711.
2--In order to produce the six zeros in the final product, the result of any individual multiplication must end in zero, i.e., the six possible multiples of the four factors in pairs must all end in zero.
3-- All four factors cannot end in 5, as the sum of the unit digits of the four numbers must sum to 1, 11, 21, or 31.
4--To derive a 1 in the units place, two of the factors must end in 1-0, 2-9, 3-8, 4-7, or 5-6.
5--Only 1 and 0 or 5 and 6 will produce the zero last digit as required from step (2).
6--Therefore, the two possible sets of factors are of the form
...XX1..........XX5
...XX0..........XX6
...XX0..........XX0
...XX0..........XX0
7--Some multiple of 79 must be one of the factors.
8--By taking the cube root of N = [711,000,000/79x], we obtain a reasonable estimate of the geometric mean of the other three factors and their sum with 79x.

.........................................................SUM
x......79x.........N.............N^(1/3).....N + 3[N^(1/3)]
2.....158....4,500,000........165+............653
3.....237....3,000,000........144+............669
4.....316....2,250,000........131+............709
5.....395....1,800,000........121+............758
6.....474....1,500,000........114+............816
7.....553....1,285,714+......108+............877
8.....632....1,125,000........104..............944

9--Clearly, only 2, 3, or 4 times 79 appear to offer possibilities as the others produce sums greater than 711.
10--None results in a units digit of 1 meaning that our units digits must bx 0, 0, 5, and 6.
11--Only 4x79 = 316 ends in a 6 which we now know we need.
12--Therefore, we are reasonably confident that 316 is one of our four factors.
13--711,000,000/316 = 2,250,000 the cube root of which is 131+, roughly the geometric mean of our three remaining factors.
14--One of these three factors must end in a 5.
15--Lets try a range of candidates:

.N.......2,250,000/N
.95........23,684+
105.......21,428+
115.......19,565+
125.......18,000
135.......16,666+
145.......15,517+
155.......14,516+

16--Clearly, only 125 results in an evenly divided number ending in zero from which the other two factors may be derived.
17--Sqrt(18,000) = 134+ making our two remaining factors two numbers on both sides of 134 both ending in zero.
18--130x140 = 18,200, 120x150 = 18,000.
19--What do you know? Houston, we have a solution!
20--120 + 125 + 150 = 316 = 711 and 120x125x150x316 = 711,000,000.
21--Therefore, the prices of our four items are $1.20, $1.25, $1.50, and $3.16.
22--Again, $1.20 + $1.25 + $1.50 + $3.16 = $7.11 and $1.20($1.25)$1.50($3.16) = $7.11.

There are many other similar $ amounts that have similar solutions. You can find 160 of them at
The Internet Center for Mathematics Problems
 
kmlear said:
A hurried shopper in a hardware store used a calculator to add up his purchases. Carelessly, he presses x each times instead of +. Amazingly, after the first three purchases, the calculator shows the correct sum. When he enters the price of the fourth item and presses x again, the calculator shows the correct sum of all four items. All prices are different and no fractions of a cent are used. What are the four prices? (Hint: A perfect number is involved.)

With condition "after the first three purchases" : 1.00, 2.00 and 3.00 ; 1 + 2 + 3 = 6, 1 * 2 * 3 = 6
With 4th item involved: 1.00, 2.00, 3.00, 1.20 ; 1 + 2 + 3 + 1.20 = 7.20, 1 * 2 * 3 * 1.20 = 7.20

That's the ONLY case I think. The "perfect number" hint remains a mystery!
 
I, perhaps incorrectly, thought a perfect number was just that....a perfect number. You know, those numbers that when their divisors are added up equal that number. Ex. 28=14+7+4+2+1

I don't know what else it would refer to.
 
Guess KMLear (King Lear?) is the only one who can clear this up...WHERE ARE YOU, buddy ? :shock:

Edit: HEY, my 1st 3 purchases = 6, a perfect number; that must be it (6 is "involved") :idea:
 
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