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Hello! I need help with this one:
x2+1x+xx2+1=2910\displaystyle \mathit{\frac{x^{2}+1}{x}+\frac{x}{x^{2}+1}=\frac{29}{10}}
I try with something like that to do: (x2+1)(x2+1)+x2x(x2+1)=2910\displaystyle \mathit{\frac{(x^2+1)(x^2+1)+x^2}{x(x^2+1)}}=\frac{29}{10}
and ...
But it's not work for me.
:?:
 
123 said:
Hello! I need help with this one:
x2+1x+xx2+1=2910\displaystyle \mathit{\frac{x^{2}+1}{x}+\frac{x}{x^{2}+1}=\frac{29}{10}}
I try with something like that to do: (x2+1)(x2+1)+x2x(x2+1)=2910\displaystyle \mathit{\frac{(x^2+1)(x^2+1)+x^2}{x(x^2+1)}}=\frac{29}{10}
and ...
But it's not work for me.
:?:

What do you need to do? solve for "x"?

What is exactly meant by "not working for me"?

Does it mean you are not getting the correct answer?

Or you cannot proceed beyond that step?
 
123 said:
Hello! I need help with this one:
x2+1x+xx2+1=2910\displaystyle \mathit{\frac{x^{2}+1}{x}+\frac{x}{x^{2}+1}=\frac{29}{10}}
I try with something like that to do: (x2+1)(x2+1)+x2x(x2+1)=2910\displaystyle \mathit{\frac{(x^2+1)(x^2+1)+x^2}{x(x^2+1)}}=\frac{29}{10}
and ...
But it's not work for me.
:?:

User 123, I wouldn't try to work with the resulting fourth degree equation that would come from your correct
later (last) equation, so I did the following.


A possible suggestion:

Let z = x2+1x.  Then  xx2+1 = 1z.\displaystyle Let \ z \ = \ \frac{x^2 + 1}{x}. \ \ Then \ \ \frac {x}{x^2 + 1} \ = \ \frac {1}{z}.

Solve  z + 1z = 2910  by converting it into a quadratic equation.\displaystyle Solve\ \ z \ + \ \frac{1}{z}\ = \ \frac{29}{10}\ \ by \ converting\ it \ into \ a \ quadratic \ equation.
 Then substitute those zvalues back into the equation  z = x2+1x,\displaystyle \ Then \ substitute \ those\ z-values \ back \ into \ the\ equation\ \ z \ = \ \frac{x^2 + 1}{x},

and solve for the appropriate xvalues.\displaystyle and \ solve \ for \ the \ appropriate \ x-values.
 
Subhotosh Khan said:
123 said:
What is exactly meant by "not working for me"?

Does it mean you are not getting the correct answer?

Or you cannot proceed beyond that step?

Sorry, my english isn't good.

lookagain thanks. I solve it. Answer I get: 2 and 0,5. It's correct now, I think.

 
x2+1x+xx2+1 = 2910, Im assuming that you want to solve for x.\displaystyle \frac{x^2+1}{x}+\frac{x}{x^2+1} \ = \ \frac{29}{10}, \ I'm \ assuming \ that \ you \ want \ to \ solve \ for \ x.

(x2+1)2+x2x(x2+1) = 2910, x4+3x2+1x3+x = 2910, 10x4+30x2+10 = 29x3+29x.\displaystyle \frac{(x^2+1)^2+x^2}{x(x^2+1)} \ = \ \frac{29}{10}, \ \frac{x^4+3x^2+1}{x^3+x} \ = \ \frac{29}{10}, \ 10x^4+30x^2+10 \ = \ 29x^3+29x.

Descartes Rule of Signs:\displaystyle Descartes' \ Rule \ of \ Signs:

Let f(x) = 10x429x3+30x229x+10, 4 changes.\displaystyle Let \ f(x) \ = \ 10x^4-29x^3+30x^2-29x+10, \ 4 \ changes.

f(x) = 10x4+29x3+30x2+29x+10, 0 changes.\displaystyle f(-x) \ = \ 10x^4+29x^3+30x^2+29x+10, \ 0 \ changes.

Hence, three possibilities: (4+,0,0I),(2+,0,2I), and (0+,0,4I).\displaystyle Hence, \ three \ possibilities: \ (4+,0-,0I),(2+,0-,2I), \ and \ (0+,0-,4I).

Ergo, f(x) = (x2)(2x1)(5x22x+5), second of the three possibilities.\displaystyle Ergo, \ f(x) \ = \ (x-2)(2x-1)(5x^2-2x+5), \ second \ of \ the \ three \ possibilities.

Note: x = 2 and x = 12 in real number land, see graph.\displaystyle Note: \ x \ = \ 2 \ and \ x \ = \ \frac{1}{2} \ in \ real \ number \ land, \ see \ graph.

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User 123, you wouldn't have learned Descartes' Rule of signs if you're in
beginning algebra, as I have seen this covered in college algebra.
 
Hello 123: do you know "Descartes' Rule of Signs" or do you not?
Let us know so we don't "guess"; thank you.
 
Denis said:
Hello 123: do you know "Descartes' Rule of Signs" or do you not?
Let us know so we don't "guess"; thank you.

I don't know this rule. So, it's little 'messy' to understand BigGlenntheHeavy solution for this task.




*Sorry for wrong topic.
 
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