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woodturner550

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Are all 5 question 'true'? If not please explain. Thanks

Stopwatch Problems logic:
1. Time, it includes hours, minutes, seconds and nanoseconds. True or False
2. Clicking the button at the start of an event marks the beginning of the event. True or False
3. The value of the beginning of the event CANNOT be known before it happens. True or False
4. Output of a digital stopwatch CANNOT be known before it appears on screen. True or False
5. Therefore, time can be used as an unknowable data point. True or False
 
This is NOT a trick question! #1 We all know time includes nanoseconds.... so true. #2 Yes when using a stopwatch the botton starts and finishes the time event.... so true #3 Time is linear, therefore as time passes you cannot know the exact nanosecond that is passing. It is like a big wheel with hour, minutes, seconds and nanoseconds marks. As it spins you grab a time. One cannot know the exact time you grabbed till you look at it..... so true #4 Time is linear, therefore as time passes you cannot know the exact nanosecond that is passing.... so true. #5 it self explanatory...... so true.

Please, comment. Thanks
 
woodturner550 said:
5. Therefore, time can be used as an unknowable data point. True or False
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How do you define "unknowable data point"?

You can't know the exact value, but you can approximate it. Depending on what you are going to do with the data, the answer might be true or false.

What is the context of these questions? That makes all the difference. And hiding the context makes it entirely possible that they are, indeed, trick questions.
 
Dr.Peterson said:
How do you define "unknowable data point"?

You can't know the exact value, but you can approximate it. Depending on what you are going to do with the data, the answer might be true or false.

What is the context of these questions? That makes all the difference. And hiding the context makes it entirely possible that they are, indeed, trick questions.
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I'm using it to get 'real random numbers'. Thanks for answering! It's a new dimension for cryptography. I've worked 34 years on this.
 
The PROBLEM is creating random numbers using a formula, as currently done. This is incorrect. Generating random numbers caused by a formula can be reverse engineered. Therefore, they are not secure. I can make secure random numbers because I do not use a formula, I use future knowledge.

Most people agree and understand this fact, “currently the future is unknowable before it happens.” Proof of this, “if we knew what was going to happen in the future, we would have a perfect society able to sidestep or eliminate problems before they happen. The stupidity is thinking that “you know the future.” or “what will happen in the future is obvious.” If that were true, we would all be Bitcoin millionaires.”

Stopwatch Problems logic:
1. Time, it includes hours, minutes, seconds and nanoseconds. True or False
2. Clicking the button at the start of an event marks the beginning of the event. True or False
3. The value of the beginning of the event CANNOT be known before it happens. True or False
4. Output of a digital stopwatch CANNOT be known before it appears on screen. True or False
5. Therefore, time can be used as an unknowable data point. True or False
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The above is deductive logic. Every statement is either true or false. This leads to clear thinking about a problem. Knowledge learned and understood this way cannot be disproved unless ‘new knowledge’ on the problem is found.
If you agree that all five are true, then we can proceed with the knowledge that nobody can know the time at the beginning of an event.

Understanding Project Goals:
1. Make an indeterminate system from a deterministic system.
2. Formula to qualify ‘random number generator’ output.
3. Create “Real Random Numbers” with a digital computer.

Output goals:
1. It looks random. This means that it passes all the statistical tests of randomness that we can find.
2. It is unpredictable. It must be computationally infeasible to predict what the next random bit will be, given complete knowledge of the algorithm or hardware generating the sequence and all the previous bits in the stream.
3. It cannot be reliably reproduced. If you run the sequence generator twice with the exact same input (at least as exact as humanly possible), you will get two completely unrelated random sequences.

The output of a generator satisfying these three properties will be good enough for a one-time pad, key generation, and any other cryptographic applications that require a truly random sequence generator.

This project’s output is unbreakable even with quantum computers.
 
If wanted I will explain the how and why this work and is twice unbreakable (once because of unknowable and the output of binary has no connection to times used.

Author: Leonard Dye, tomanytroubles@gmail.com, May 31, 2024 - Copyrighted 10/14/2023

import time
import random

def challenge():
number_of_needed_numbers = 10
count = 0
lowest_random_number_needed = 0
highest_random_number_needed = 1

while count < number_of_needed_numbers:
start_time = time.time() # get first time
print("start time ", start_time)
time.sleep(0.00000000000001) # wait
end_time = time.time() # get second time
print("end time ", end_time)
low_time = ((end_time + start_time) / 2) # covert to one time
print("low time ", low_time)
start_time1 = time.time() # get third time
print("start time1 ", start_time1)
time.sleep(0.00000000000001) # wait
end_time1 = time.time() # get fourth time
print("end time1 ", end_time1)
high_time = ((end_time1 + start_time1) / 2) # convert to one time
print("high time ", high_time)
random.seed((high_time + low_time) / 2)
random_number = random.randint(lowest_random_number_needed, highest_random_number_needed)
count += 1
print(random_number)
print("")
print("")

if __name__ == '__main__':
challenge() # go to top, 'def challenge'



All files can be found at: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/home. Main data file is ‘RN Data.xlsx’. 48 mb not able to be attached.

Thanks for reading and commenting.
 
This is what this program will affect:

Number Theory; Linear and Multilinear Algebra; Potential Theory; Statistics; Numerical Analysis; Statistical Mechanics, Structure of Matter.

Also, this has a direct bearing on cryptography, because it is unbreakable by quantum computers.

How does this make the world a better place. Let us look at a few:

1. Privacy: This makes personal privacy a reality. Private thoughts, journals of all types, political discussions, business secrets and governments. This program’s output cannot be calculated by a quantum computer because it uses future knowledge, therefore, encryption is secure for all.

2. Games: The program for the random numbers that games use, such as dealing cards are being generated by a pseudo random number generator. Their output is slanted from truly random. We as people have agreed to accept it as REAL RANDOM in everyday life. Now games can really be fair.

3. Mathematics: There are few mathematical fields that do not use random numbers. Mathematics is the language that helps make
sense of our world. Therefore, our view of the world might be clearer.

a. Important is the fact that real random numbers are easy and cheap to make with any digital computer capable of
running Python 3.7+.

I'm giving this to the world. This needs to be acknowledged so it can become common knowledge. I don't want the world to be enslaved by the few in control (those who have quantum computers). They would be able to read everyone’s encryption. I don't think that is good for humanity. If sold to a company, then they would just cave in to those in charge.

Comments or thoughts are welcome. Thank you for your time and thoughts.
 
From Advanced Math:
"I don't know how to answer your questions but I am fully agreed with your idea if it can generate unpredictable random numbers based on unknown future information that even quantum computing cannot crack!

💪👹👹"
 
woodturner550 said:
From Advanced Math:
"I don't know how to answer your questions but I am fully agreed with your idea if it can generate unpredictable random numbers based on unknown future information that even quantum computing cannot crack!

💪👹👹"
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That's me! :ROFLMAO:🤣

Thank you a lot @woodturner550 for sharing my conclusion. In the link below, there is my whole thinking about this generating random numbers idea if anyone is interested to read.

My answers, am I correct?

Stopwatch Problems logic: 1. Time, it includes hours, minutes, seconds and nanoseconds. True or False 2. Clicking the button on a stopwatch at the start of an event marks the beginning of the event. True or False 3. The time value of the beginning of the event CANNOT be known before the...
www.freemathhelp.com
 
woodturner550 said:
From Advanced Math:
"I don't know how to answer your questions but I am fully agreed with your idea if it can generate unpredictable random numbers based on unknown future information that even quantum computing cannot crack!

💪👹👹"
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You have helped to get a university to look at my work. I will keep the forum informed. Even IF I am incorrect. That too will be told.
Thanks all for your time and thoughts.
 
It is with a heavy heart, for ‘my mental health’ I must let this go. I have spent almost a year trying to get this ’new knowledge’ out to the world. Logic tells me that after this amount of effort with NO interest, let it go.

Letter to chancellor of Berkely University:

Mr. Lyons,

I have ‘Possible new knowledge’ in creating “REAL” random numbers on any computer that can run the Python language. There in lies the problem. Educators have been instructing that computers CAN NOT make real random numbers because they only follow a set of instruction and will ALWAYS have the same output. This has been true, only because no one has been able to show that it is untrue. I can.

An important thought process: Remember the blind persons describing the elephant by what they thought the elephant was after being introduced to different parts of the elephant. Leg= tree, tail= rope. It was the same elephant.

Everyday time, we take it for granted as it rules our lives. Could there be other dimensions of time? Yes. Time can be an ‘unknowable data point.’ That is new and will secure our world.

Explanation: Stopwatch Problems logic: These are NOT trick questions! I will show my answers below.

1. Time, it includes hours, minutes, seconds, and nanoseconds. True or False?
2. Clicking the button at the start of an event marks the beginning of the event. True or False?
3. The value of the beginning of the event CANNOT be known before it happens. True or False?
4. Output of a digital stopwatch CANNOT be known before it appears on screen. True or False?
5. Therefore, time can be used as an unknowable data point. True or False?

My answers:

#1 We all know time includes nanoseconds.... So true.

#2 Yes when using a stopwatch, the button starts and finishes the time event.... So true

#3 Time is linear, therefore as time passes you cannot know the exact nanosecond that is passing. It is like a big wheel with hours, minutes, seconds, and nanoseconds marks. As it spins you grab a time. One cannot know the exact time you grabbed till you look at it. So true

#4 Time is linear, therefore as time passes you cannot know the exact nanosecond that is passing.... so true.

#5 itself explanatory...... So true.

This is just deductive logic, the root of all math.

This is one half of what I have found. Problem is I cannot get this finished project seen by the correct people. People I believe need to see this is: Statistician and cryptography experts. Looking at proof of randomness, in data tables.

I am 74 years old, 60% disabled veteran, home bound. I would like to be able to give this knowledge to the world. Without unbreakable encryption humanity can be enslaved by those with quantum computers because they can read everything.

I hope you can help. Thanks for your time, I do not have much left.

Leonard Dye

tomanytroubles@gmail.com



Not even an email acknowledging receipt of the email. Just proves ‘you can lead a horse to water, but you CANNOT make it drink. I wish the world well. I’m glad I don’t have to put up for much longer with a messed-up world caused by the rich and powerful. Humanity is enslaved without bars by the rich and powerful. How many billions are they spending to enslave humanity? Why is humanity so uneducated by the rich (little logic, base of mathematics) that are in control? Answer: Deductive logic leads to clear thinking. It is not easy to lead educated citizens down the merry path earth is on (wars, poverty while rich in every country live very well).

HEADLINE: Quantum Scientists Have Built a New Math of Cryptography



Respectfully,

Leonard Dye

tomanytroubles@gmail
 
woodturner550 said:
It is with a heavy heart, for ‘my mental health’ I must let this go. I have spent almost a year trying to get this ’new knowledge’ out to the world. Logic tells me that after this amount of effort with NO interest, let it go.

Letter to chancellor of Berkely University:

Mr. Lyons,

I have ‘Possible new knowledge’ in creating “REAL” random numbers on any computer that can run the Python language. There in lies the problem. Educators have been instructing that computers CAN NOT make real random numbers because they only follow a set of instruction and will ALWAYS have the same output. This has been true, only because no one has been able to show that it is untrue. I can.

An important thought process: Remember the blind persons describing the elephant by what they thought the elephant was after being introduced to different parts of the elephant. Leg= tree, tail= rope. It was the same elephant.

Everyday time, we take it for granted as it rules our lives. Could there be other dimensions of time? Yes. Time can be an ‘unknowable data point.’ That is new and will secure our world.

Explanation: Stopwatch Problems logic: These are NOT trick questions! I will show my answers below.

1. Time, it includes hours, minutes, seconds, and nanoseconds. True or False?
2. Clicking the button at the start of an event marks the beginning of the event. True or False?
3. The value of the beginning of the event CANNOT be known before it happens. True or False?
4. Output of a digital stopwatch CANNOT be known before it appears on screen. True or False?
5. Therefore, time can be used as an unknowable data point. True or False?

My answers:

#1 We all know time includes nanoseconds.... So true.

#2 Yes when using a stopwatch, the button starts and finishes the time event.... So true

#3 Time is linear, therefore as time passes you cannot know the exact nanosecond that is passing. It is like a big wheel with hours, minutes, seconds, and nanoseconds marks. As it spins you grab a time. One cannot know the exact time you grabbed till you look at it. So true

#4 Time is linear, therefore as time passes you cannot know the exact nanosecond that is passing.... so true.

#5 itself explanatory...... So true.

This is just deductive logic, the root of all math.

This is one half of what I have found. Problem is I cannot get this finished project seen by the correct people. People I believe need to see this is: Statistician and cryptography experts. Looking at proof of randomness, in data tables.

I am 74 years old, 60% disabled veteran, home bound. I would like to be able to give this knowledge to the world. Without unbreakable encryption humanity can be enslaved by those with quantum computers because they can read everything.

I hope you can help. Thanks for your time, I do not have much left.

Leonard Dye

tomanytroubles@gmail.com



Not even an email acknowledging receipt of the email. Just proves ‘you can lead a horse to water, but you CANNOT make it drink. I wish the world well. I’m glad I don’t have to put up for much longer with a messed-up world caused by the rich and powerful. Humanity is enslaved without bars by the rich and powerful. How many billions are they spending to enslave humanity? Why is humanity so uneducated by the rich (little logic, base of mathematics) that are in control? Answer: Deductive logic leads to clear thinking. It is not easy to lead educated citizens down the merry path earth is on (wars, poverty while rich in every country live very well).

HEADLINE: Quantum Scientists Have Built a New Math of Cryptography



Respectfully,

Leonard Dye

tomanytroubles@gmail
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Stop spamming this post!
 
I'm sorry YOU think 'new math knowledge' is SPAM! Were you able to answer the five question? If you disagree with any of the five questions, PLEASE, educate the world with your knowledge. That is why (to see if someone sees it differently) the 'new knowledge' is posted.
Without your knowledge about what is wrong with my logic how does the field of mathematics knowledge protect itself from bad data and ideas that are NOT founded in logic witch is the root of mathematics. So, please help me learn how you disagree. It is easy to say it's spam because you have the authority as an "Elite Member", but are you able to prove it.
Respectfully,
Leonard Dye
 
woodturner550 said:
It is with a heavy heart, for ‘my mental health’ I must let this go. I have spent almost a year trying to get this ’new knowledge’ out to the world. Logic tells me that after this amount of effort with NO interest, let it go.
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Please do let it go. Have you considered that perhaps everyone with knowledge ignores what you say because it is nonsense? You don't know as much as you think you do, and will not save the world with "new knowledge" that is false. What is true in your ideas is already well-known; what is not true is obviously so to those who understand the subject, but can be hard to explain simply.

I see that you have sent this same idea to many other places, and have been given a variety of answers, some rude, some ignorant, some thoughtful explanations of what you are misunderstanding. Most just know enough not to respond to you, because you don't know enough to understand their answers.

Again, stop. You are just wasting your time.
 
I understand! I notice that you will not answer the five questions. Why? Easy to say not true. Use logic to prove I'm incorrect. That is the bases or root of math.
You will notice that no one will answer the five questions. If it is explained by logic, I will be the first to say I was incorrect.
Respectfully,
Leonard Dye

P.S. I'm dropping it, but cannot let people state that it is incorrect when they won't show it.
 
woodturner550 said:
You will notice that no one will answer the five questions. If it is explained by logic, I will be the first to say I was incorrect.
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The five questions are the trivially "correct" part; it's what you do after that that demonstrates misunderstanding of the entire concept.

woodturner550 said:
1. Time, it includes hours, minutes, seconds and nanoseconds. True or False
2. Clicking the button at the start of an event marks the beginning of the event. True or False
3. The value of the beginning of the event CANNOT be known before it happens. True or False
4. Output of a digital stopwatch CANNOT be known before it appears on screen. True or False
5. Therefore, time can be used as an unknowable data point. True or False
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1. true ... though it would be more correct to say that time can be measured with those units.
2. true ... assuming "the button" is on some sort of stopwatch, which you ought to state clearly.
3. unclear ... are you talking about an event that happens by itself, like radioactive decay, or an event that is scheduled? Or is this about human reaction time?
4. true in some sense ... at least now you've mentioned the stopwatch, and are presumably talking about a person clicking it at a "random" time. But the only reason the time can't be known is that it is already random.
5. true in some sense ... but only because someone is choosing to click randomly.

All this in itself is not the problem. It is that you move from there to using time as a random seed for a random number generator: there is nothing new about that at all, and it is not the solution you say it is.

For one example of a discussion mentions using time and rejects it, see here.

At this point, you just make a lot of unsupported claims based on a failure to understand either how true randomness is defined (and demonstrated), or what is already well-known. The immense value you ascribe to your invention is not supported by what you've said, and certainly not by these five questions. Your claims were discussed relatively well here.
 

Dr. Peterson,​

Thanks for your great comments and time. Please, continue to help me clarify this to people. It is hard for me to put things correctly for everyone. That does not mean they saw incorrectly. It is my shortcoming.
3. The value of the beginning of the event CANNOT be known before it happens. True or False
Your answer:
3. unclear ... are you talking about an event that happens by itself, like radioactive decay, or an event that is scheduled? Or is this about human reaction time?

Clarifying my point. Any time you grab hold of a time, any time, it is like grabbing from a wheel with hour, minutes, seconds and nanoseconds listed as time goes by. Your grab got you hours, minutes, seconds and nanoseconds. We do not use this format in everyday life.

You stated, "But the only reason the time can't be known is that it is already random." YES, you got it!!!! That is the "unknowable" data point. You have just seen a new dimension of "TIME", I believe. This will secure the world. Unbreakable encryption even by a quantum computer.
Thanks again for caring.
 
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The point is that your five questions are irrelevant. I won't try to interact with you until you face up to the errors in your actual claims about the correctness and importance of your "discovery". Until you do so, you remain a mere crank.

Do you really not know that using time as a seed is well-known, and commonly used, but has been rejected for the most sensitive uses??
 
Oh I know that it cannot be used by it self. That is in the second part of what I have found. One part at a time. As you know even you cannot easily open your mind to pure logic, the root of mathematics.
"You stated, "But the only reason the time can't be known is that it is already random." YES, you got it!!!! That is the "unknowable" data point. You have just seen a new dimension of "TIME", I believe. This will secure the world. Unbreakable encryption even by a quantum computer."
You did NOT answer the third question. I am beginning to think that you may not like what is being shown because it is not what you were taught. Please, answer the five questions! Then we can show you the data that is produced. It takes both parts to get good data.
This is WHY I was trying to get people to think logically. I use Pure logic.
Respectfully,
Leonard Dye

P.S. For just the sake of this conversation, you don't have to agree really. Just play along stating you concerns. See what you see. Believe it or not the real test is in the data. Here you are throwing the baby out with the bath water without dealing with finishing drying and dressing. Or read a receipt, deciding that it has to be no good because nobody has used something in a good product.
 
I'm done wasting my time and knowledge on a ugly world that won't even answer easy logical questions.
 
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