Need help for my court case -

A

ales

New member
Joined
Oct 12, 2020
Messages
5
What is the probability that copy machine all by itself ads number 1 at the precise location on the piece of paper?

Check this number one on the paper.

What is mathematical probability that copy machine added this number 1 on the paper.
Original contract was without number one ... :)

Talking about number 1 in the number 1750.


number one zidar.png
 
Lacking additional information: Zero (0) 0%

What was the previous document copied?

What does the machine's hard drive say?
 
Previous documet was without number one.

Do not know about the hard drive. We have just the original document - with the number 750 and copied document with 1750. We suspect that number one was written by hand and copied on the machine. The other side is saying that the copy machine produced number one all by itself. They claim that this is not number one but just a stain.
 
Hard drive might know enough to settle it. Subpoena the hard drive.

How often is the glass cleaned? A fresh ink "1" might stain the glass. What does the NEXT document show?

Still, I'm going with hogwash for the copy machine just adding it. Has that EVER occurred in the history of copy machines? They would have to demonstrate that it EVER occurred with ANYTHING. Manufacturer should have testing criteria.
 
Like your answers. And the use of word "hogwash". :) There was no number one on any other documents from that copy machine. Just few stains, but they were rounded and small, much smaller that number one.
I was thinkig about probaility that number one appears randomly on the piece of paper. Like there are 1 milion dots on the paper, you need let's say 20 dots to make number one. So what is the probability that printer produces number one on the exact right spot on the paper. One in a how many bilions? :)
 
The problem here is that you are talking about subjective probability, which is OK for making decisions but is not formally recognized in US courts.

In US legal documents, it is good practice to show numbers in numerals and words so that extra numerals cannot be added or deleted. Look at any check.

I have no idea what specific language this is written in, but it looks Slavic to me. (There are a lot of Slavic languages: Russian, Ukrainian, Pollsh, Czech, Slovak, Lithuanian, Slovene, Croat, Serb, Latvian, and Bulgar are all Slavic; I sadly am ignorant of them all.) Slavic languages, however, are related to Germanic and Romance languages, of which I know five. To my eye, "sedem" looks suspiciously like a cognate of "seven" (English), "sieben" (German), "septem" (Latin), "siete" (Spanish), and "sept" (French). Find someone who knows the language this document was written and get a sworn translation of the WORDS.
 
JeffM said:
The problem here is that you are talking about subjective probability, which is OK for making decisions but is not formally recognized in US courts.

In US legal documents, it is good practice to show numbers in numerals and words so that extra numerals cannot be added or deleted. Look at any check.

I have no idea what specific language this is written in, but it looks Slavic to me. (There are a lot of Slavic languages: Russian, Ukrainian, Pollsh, Czech, Slovak, Lithuanian, Slovene, Croat, Serb, Latvian, and Bulgar are all Slavic; I sadly am ignorant of them all.) Slavic languages, however, are related to Germanic and Romance languages, of which I know five. To my eye, "sedem" looks suspiciously like a cognate of "seven" (English), "sieben" (German), "septem" (Latin), "siete" (Spanish), and "sept" (French). Find someone who knows the language this document was written and get a sworn translation of the WORDS.
Click to expand...

Language is Slovenian. The case is not about the words ... Original document has a number 750, the documet they used in the court has a number 1750. They added the numeber 1. And they claim, that this is coincidence, that the copy machine somehow "produced" this number 1. So the question is what is the probability that the copy machine by itself adds number on a precise rihgt spot on the docoment. So it is mathematical question.
 
Dr.Peterson said:
Here's what Google says, after a few tries:
View attachment 22253

Looks pretty clear to me!
Click to expand...

Agreed price 1750 (because copy machine added number 1), but the words say agreed price 750. So the question - mathematical question is, what is the probability, that the copy machine somehow produce numer 1 and adds it exactly on the right spot on the paper. :)
 
That's what I figured -- everyone who read it knew what it said, and if anyone actually took it as 1750, they are at fault for not reading the words.

But there is no mathematical answer; the probability of those pixels being turned on is probably infinitesimal, but would depend on specific knowledge of the machine (starting with how often a pixel is randomly changed in the first place), so there is no way to give an actual number. And I can't believe anyone would take the claim seriously, with or without mathematical/engineering data. I agree with this:
tkhunny said:
Has that EVER occurred in the history of copy machines? They would have to demonstrate that it EVER occurred with ANYTHING.
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top