B baloo New member Joined May 21, 2009 Messages 4 May 21, 2009 #1 given function: y = x / (x^2 + x + 1) would like to find the function's range (algebra only) given solution: -1 <= y <= 1/3 how ?
given function: y = x / (x^2 + x + 1) would like to find the function's range (algebra only) given solution: -1 <= y <= 1/3 how ?
D Deleted member 4993 Guest May 21, 2009 #2 baloo said: given function: y = x / (x^2 + x + 1) would like to find the function's range (algebra only) given solution: -1 <= y <= 1/3 how ? Click to expand... In your graphing calculator - plot the function anyway - that will give you an idea regarding steps you need to take. You'll see that the function has local maxima and minmum and those are global maximum and minima too ( show that as x? ±? you get y?0). Find the y's at those maximum and minimum and that will give you the range.
baloo said: given function: y = x / (x^2 + x + 1) would like to find the function's range (algebra only) given solution: -1 <= y <= 1/3 how ? Click to expand... In your graphing calculator - plot the function anyway - that will give you an idea regarding steps you need to take. You'll see that the function has local maxima and minmum and those are global maximum and minima too ( show that as x? ±? you get y?0). Find the y's at those maximum and minimum and that will give you the range.
B baloo New member Joined May 21, 2009 Messages 4 May 21, 2009 #3 Thanks, just graphed it. Here it is - http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/355 ... 3fd8_o.png I still don't see a way to do it without using calculus (x? ±? is not algebra). Would be happy to learn an algebraic method if anybody knows one.
Thanks, just graphed it. Here it is - http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3369/355 ... 3fd8_o.png I still don't see a way to do it without using calculus (x? ±? is not algebra). Would be happy to learn an algebraic method if anybody knows one.
B baloo New member Joined May 21, 2009 Messages 4 May 26, 2009 #4 ok guys, here is how (i think) the solution goes - original equation is: y = x / (x^2 + x + 1) let's check which y-values are possible. starting with substitution: y=m m = x / (x^2 + x + 1) mx^2 + mx + m = x mx^2 + (m-1)x + m = 0 what values of m are required in order to solve the last equation (which are the y values of the original equation) ? b^2 - 4ac >= 0 ==> (m-1)^2 - 4m^2 >= 0 -3m^2 - 2m + 1 >= 0 m^2 + (2/3)m - 1/3 >=0 (m+1)(m-1/3) >= 0 -1 <= m <= 1/3
ok guys, here is how (i think) the solution goes - original equation is: y = x / (x^2 + x + 1) let's check which y-values are possible. starting with substitution: y=m m = x / (x^2 + x + 1) mx^2 + mx + m = x mx^2 + (m-1)x + m = 0 what values of m are required in order to solve the last equation (which are the y values of the original equation) ? b^2 - 4ac >= 0 ==> (m-1)^2 - 4m^2 >= 0 -3m^2 - 2m + 1 >= 0 m^2 + (2/3)m - 1/3 >=0 (m+1)(m-1/3) >= 0 -1 <= m <= 1/3
D Deleted member 4993 Guest May 26, 2009 #5 That's a clever way to do that problem --- Will have to remeber that...
D Deleted member 4993 Guest May 26, 2009 #6 That's a clever way to do that problem --- Will have to remeber that...
B baloo New member Joined May 21, 2009 Messages 4 May 26, 2009 #7 oops... sorry, I had a mistake when copying from the handwriting (or: i tested you ) When dividing by -3 , the >= sign needs to change direction. -3m^2 - 2m + 1 >= 0 m^2 + (2/3)m - 1/3 <=0 (m+1)(m-1/3) <= 0 -1 <= m <= 1/3 The bottom line was correct
oops... sorry, I had a mistake when copying from the handwriting (or: i tested you ) When dividing by -3 , the >= sign needs to change direction. -3m^2 - 2m + 1 >= 0 m^2 + (2/3)m - 1/3 <=0 (m+1)(m-1/3) <= 0 -1 <= m <= 1/3 The bottom line was correct