Reimann Hypothesis

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If you are asking what

[MATH]\dfrac{\pi + \pi \sqrt{5}}{2 \pi}[/MATH] is called, it is an arithmetic expression.

It is one of the infinite number of ways to express a given number exactly.

It has the exact same numeric value as [MATH]\dfrac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2}.[/MATH]
Now that you have what you want, please stop polluting this site with your nonsensical drivel.
 
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If you think what I am saying is attacking you then you clearly have not been seriously attacked by me. I am trying to be descriptive. Without the correct terminology it is very hard to communicate with you... Like I said it's like teaching Advanced Physics to a third grader. This is descriptive, not an insult.

As JeffM says these don't actually have a specific name. Call them "arithmetic expressions" or "rational expressions" or whatever. There is no other meaning to that particular expression.

Throwing a [math]\dfrac{ \pi }{ \pi }[/math] into the formula for [math]\phi[/math] doesn't make it transcendental. I am not making [math]\pi = 1[/math], I am saying that [math]\dfrac{ \pi + \pi \sqrt{5}}{ \pi } = \dfrac{ \pi }{ \pi } \phi = \phi[/math]. The [math]\pi[/math]s factor out.

And I still don't understand what you are doing with the "1".

-Dan
 
If you are asking what

[MATH]\dfrac{\pi + \pi \sqrt{5}}{2 \pi}[/MATH] is called, it is an arithmetic expression.

It is one of the infinite number of ways to express a given number exactly.

It has the exact same numeric value as [MATH]\dfrac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2}.[/MATH]
Now that you have what you want, please stop polluting this site with your nonsensical drivel.

Go **** yourself Jeff - this site really does not need my help to become polluted.

What if the "arithmetic expression" is unique, and is the only expression which equals what it equals, in this case 1 and phi^3?

@nothing
If you think what I am saying is attacking you then you clearly have not been seriously attacked by me. I am trying to be descriptive. Without the correct terminology it is very hard to communicate with you... Like I said it's like teaching Advanced Physics to a third grader. This is descriptive, not an insult.

As JeffM says these don't actually have a specific name. Call them "arithmetic expressions" or "rational expressions" or whatever. There is no other meaning to that particular expression.

Throwing a [math]\dfrac{ \pi }{ \pi }[/math] into the formula for [math]\phi[/math] doesn't make it transcendental. I am not making [math]\pi = 1[/math], I am saying that [math]\dfrac{ \pi + \pi \sqrt{5}}{ \pi } = \dfrac{ \pi }{ \pi } \phi = \phi[/math]. The [math]\pi[/math]s factor out.

And I still don't understand what you are doing with the "1".

-Dan

How does a third grader come up with the "arithmetic expression" which equals both 1 and phi^3 at the same time?
How does a single "arithmetic expression" manage to produce this?

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I am understanding where mathematicians are going wrong - they don't understand that you can not just "arithmetically" cancel/remove pi from an expression. Pi is required to bind a unit value r to the circumference of any circle(s) related to the expression. Pi thus relies on phi: as phi is a linear progression, pi is a circular one relating a circle to a unit line, and together they produce all the forms we see.

However I am not convinced it is simply an "arithmetic expression" as clearly there is only one such expression which equals 1 and phi^3... unless someone can show me another expression which equals the same.
 
What if the "arithmetic expression" is unique, and is the only expression which equals what it equals, in this case 1 and phi^3?



How does a third grader come up with the "arithmetic expression" which equals both 1 and phi^3 at the same time?
How does a single "arithmetic expression" manage to produce this?

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I am understanding where mathematicians are going wrong - they don't understand that you can not just "arithmetically" cancel/remove pi from an expression. Pi is required to bind a unit value r to the circumference of any circle(s) related to the expression. Pi thus relies on phi: as phi is a linear progression, pi is a circular one relating a circle to a unit line, and together they produce all the forms we see.

However I am not convinced it is simply an "arithmetic expression" as clearly there is only one such expression which equals 1 and phi^3... unless someone can show me another expression which equals the same.
The point is that there is no specific name for what you are talking about. So it gets a general name such as "arithmetic expression" and the like.

I am understanding where mathematicians are going wrong - they don't understand that you can not just "arithmetically" cancel/remove pi from an expression.
Um, yes you can. The cancelation property goes all the way back to Euclid and forms one of the properties required for the real number system to be a field. Your "binding" comment is much more like Physics than Math.

I don't really know what more to say about [math]\dfrac{ \pi + \pi \sqrt{5}}{ \pi } = \phi[/math]. You can keep the [math]\pi[/math]s in there if you like but it doesn't change the fact that [math]\dfrac{ \pi + \pi \sqrt{5}}{ \pi }[/math] is not transcendental and that the [math]\pi[/math]s do nothing to it. Now, we multiply fractions by 1 when we do unit conversions, such as [math]1 = \dfrac{1000 ~ mm }{1 ~ m}[/math] all the time. If there is something specific that you want to do with the [math]\pi[/math]s then you haven't said anything constructive about it yet.

How does a third grader come up with the "arithmetic expression" which equals both 1 and phi^3 at the same time?
I am simply telling you that your skills are not up to speed for what you are trying to do. Let's put it more accurately. I would gauge your Math skills at about a Junior, or at best a Senior, level of High School. The Riemann Hypothesis is at the level of Complex Analysis and since it hasn't yet been solved using this material the actual proof would be beyond even that. What I am saying is that you have a long way to go.

-Dan

Addendum: I did a quick search and it turns out that there is a relationship with [math]\pi[/math] and [math]\phi[/math] for particular shapes (I especially like the ellispse one) but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what you are talking about. The site is here.
 
Go **** yourself Jeff - this site really does not need my help to become polluted.
Is it not long past time to ban this rude vulgar know-nothing, who thinks insults are an argument?
 
The point is that there is no specific name for what you are talking about. So it gets a general name such as "arithmetic expression" and the like.

So I get to name it? Cool.

Um, yes you can. The cancelation property goes all the way back to Euclid and forms one of the properties required for the real number system to be a field. Your "binding" comment is much more like Physics than Math.

What is a "field", and what good is math if not in agreement with the physics of the universe?

If cancelling out π the value of the entire expression changes.
There is a particular ratio the coefficients of π have to be at in order to produce the equilibrium of 1.

I don't really know what more to say about [math]\dfrac{ \pi + \pi \sqrt{5}}{ \pi } = \phi[/math]. You can keep the [math]\pi[/math]s in there if you like but it doesn't change the fact that [math]\dfrac{ \pi + \pi \sqrt{5}}{ \pi }[/math] is not transcendental and that the [math]\pi[/math]s do nothing to it. Now, we multiply fractions by 1 when we do unit conversions, such as [math]1 = \dfrac{1000 ~ mm }{1 ~ m}[/math] all the time. If there is something specific that you want to do with the [math]\pi[/math]s then you haven't said anything constructive about it yet.

The "arithmetic expression" needs to conform to the physics of the universe, therefor π is mandated.

I am simply telling you that your skills are not up to speed for what you are trying to do. Let's put it more accurately. I would gauge your Math skills at about a Junior, or at best a Senior, level of High School. The Riemann Hypothesis is at the level of Complex Analysis and since it hasn't yet been solved using this material the actual proof would be beyond even that. What I am saying is that you have a long way to go.

-Dan

I already solved the hypothesis: the sum of the infinite series 1+2+3+4... equals -1/12 because the numerator/denominator collapses into 12/144:
11/12 → 12/12 = 1/12
13/12 → 12/12 = -1/12
and therefor the entire number system begins/ends here. What this means is: all real number values are mandated 1/2 because this is the only value the real number can take, given the "arithmetic expression" shows how i is derived from it.


Mathematicians need to understand that math is first-and-foremost physics-based, not the other way around. Numbers themselves are the fabric of the physical laws of the universe, and not just some toys people invented to play with.

The real number system is exactly as the video details: a folded circle. What I have is the "pass-through" expression which equals both 1 and ϕ³.

Addendum: I did a quick search and it turns out that there is a relationship with [math]\pi[/math] and [math]\phi[/math] for particular shapes (I especially like the ellispse one) but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what you are talking about. The site is here.

Well it was very nice of you to do that, and despite what you arrived it, it has absolutely everything to do with what I am talking about.
This is the same "arithmetic" used to construct just about every monolithic structure on the planet, including the pyramids.

Is it not long past time to ban this rude vulgar know-nothing, who thinks insults are an argument?


What a terrific world we live in - ban! ban! ban!
 
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Very convincing argument. It may persuade some of those who are more ignorant and less civilized than you (if that is not the empty set).
 
Is it not long past time to ban this rude vulgar know-nothing, who thinks insults are an argument?
Very convincing argument. It may persuade some of those who are more ignorant and less civilized than you (if that is not the empty set).

There is no attempt at persuasion: the truth speaks for itself, and need not my, nor any others' lips to help it.
People who hate whatever happens to be true are the only ones sore about it.

Please maintain a civil tone. It's fine to disagree, but this can be done without implied profanity.

Why allow others to attack people asking questions in the first place?
 
I already solved the hypothesis: the sum of the infinite series 1+2+3+4... equals -1/12 because the numerator/denominator collapses into 12/144
First, this comment shows how badly you need to upgrade your knowledge base. Most who don't know the details would claim that [math]\zeta (-1) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} n \to \infty[/math] and certainly would not be negative. But the [math]\zeta (z)[/math] only works for this summation for Re(z) > 1. To do z = -1 we need to analytically continue the [math]\zeta[/math] function to handle the negative numbers. This means that [math]\zeta (-1)[/math] is no longer defined as [math]\sum_{n = 1}^{ \infty } n[/math]. That you don't know this is telling... Like I said before you need to learn Complex Analysis. Without it your arguments are sorely lacking.

Mathematicians need to understand that math is first-and-foremost physics-based, not the other way around. Numbers themselves are the fabric of the physical laws of the universe, and not just some toys people invented to play with.
Mathematics and Physics are two different fields of study. Physicists use Mathematics but we tend to use a more "primitive" form of Mathematics that can often only be justified by the Mathematicians, not the other way around.

What is a "field"...
See here. Specifically under the heading "Classic Definition". Again, putting the [math]\pi[/math]s into your formula [math]\dfrac{ \pi }{ \pi } \phi[/math] does not change [math]\phi[/math] into anything.

There is no attempt at persuasion: the truth speaks for itself, and need not my, nor any others' lips to help it.
People who hate whatever happens to be true are the only ones sore about it.
I'm not going to be as crude as JeffM but what you are talking about and how you are talking about it merely shows your ignorance in regard to how little you know about this stuff. You need to learn alot more Math in order to discuss this intelligently.

Since you don't seem to understand this after several people have told you this and that you have been ignoring them means you really aren't open for discussion about what you haven't yet learned. I'm going to slightly modify JeffM's comment: Until you start to listen to people that clearly know more than you do you are little more than a troll and need to be banned.

I'm out.

-Dan
 
First, this comment shows how badly you need to upgrade your knowledge base. Most who don't know the details would claim that [math]\zeta (-1) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} n \to \infty[/math] and certainly would not be negative. But the [math]\zeta (z)[/math] only works for this summation for Re(z) > 1. To do z = -1 we need to analytically continue the [math]\zeta[/math] function to handle the negative numbers. This means that [math]\zeta (-1)[/math] is no longer defined as [math]\sum_{n = 1}^{ \infty } n[/math]. That you don't know this is telling... Like I said before you need to learn Complex Analysis. Without it your arguments are sorely lacking.

Please apply your ridicule to yourself: you clearly do not understand the implications of the "arithmetic expression".

The expression circumvents the need to involve imaginary numbers / analytic continuation whatsoever. The whole value in proving RH lies in being able to access information relating to the distribution of primes. That is why they need to confirm that the real value is always 1/2. The problem is, using the zeta function is a crude brute-force that misses the point. This is not a mathematical problem, but a number theory one. That the sum of the infinite series 1+2+3+4... equals -1/12 should immediately indicate that the real number system is a closed system, thus information relating to the primes is encoded in the original identity through which the entire imaginary number system flows: whatever co-exists with the real-number '1'.

The expression derived finds this "imaginary" value which co-exists on/as '1': Φ³.
Pi expresses itself as a/the curve(s) in relation to phi's "r", thus the two are co-creators.

The expression confirms that all "real" values are 1/2 for two reasons:
i. it derives the emergence of i as an imaginary into the real number system at point-of-entry, thus isolates '1'
ii. it shows that all real values have analytic continuity counter-parts about the critical line according to Φ³

Therefor the problem is handled from both angles: concerning 1 and/or concerning i, and this, not even yet considering that the "arithmetic expression" contains the blueprints of all possible primes, which is the very thing the proving of the RH is after.

And it is all contained on one... if I am well informed: "arithmetic expression". Sounds elegant to me.

Mathematics and Physics are two different fields of study. Physicists use Mathematics but we tend to use a more "primitive" form of Mathematics that can often only be justified by the Mathematicians, not the other way around.

They are one and the same: you can not have any math whatsoever without the fundamental space/time aspects of motion.

That means: physics. Physics first, not math - all math must obey physics, else is not math describing the physical universe.

See here. Specifically under the heading "Classic Definition". Again, putting the [math]\pi[/math]s into your formula [math]\dfrac{ \pi }{ \pi } \phi[/math] does not change [math]\phi[/math] into anything.

I never claimed Φ "changes" into anything: Φ is Φ. It is when π is introduced to phi that the co-operation occurs: their "relationship" generates the primes. It is like frequency: you have three terms over a fourth. You have a base note (base of the expression, circular π) and you have three which form a chord, or triangle, or any such shape one desires.

I'm not going to be as crude as JeffM but what you are talking about and how you are talking about it merely shows your ignorance in regard to how little you know about this stuff. You need to learn alot more Math in order to discuss this intelligently.

I think you might be projecting here.

Since you don't seem to understand this after several people have told you this and that you have been ignoring them means you really aren't open for discussion about what you haven't yet learned. I'm going to slightly modify JeffM's comment: Until you start to listen to people that clearly know more than you do you are little more than a troll and need to be banned.

I'm out.

-Dan
 
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