is this game unbeatable?

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slowpepper

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_______________hot dog
________________10x
______tomato__________kabobs
________5x______________15x
_____cabbage________________turkey
_______5x___________________ 25x
________corn_________ steak
_________5x___________45x
______________carrot
________________5x

Rules
1. Please choose the amount and food you'd like to bet on.
2. You can bet up to 6 kinds of food
there is no limit for amount of wager
 
slowpepper said:
_______________hot dog
________________10x
______tomato__________kabobs
________5x______________15x
_____cabbage________________turkey
_______5x___________________ 25x
________corn_________ steak
_________5x___________45x
______________carrot
________________5x

Rules
1. Please choose the amount and food you'd like to bet on.
2. You can bet up to 6 kinds of food
there is no limit for amount of wager
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Please re-read your post!

As displayed on my computer, I could not make any sense out of it!!
 
Its a spinning wheel. It has 8 food items.[FONT=Tahoma,Calibri,Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif] Tomato, cabbage, corn, carrot,
hot dog,
kabobs, turkey, and
steak.

The wheel spins for 10 seconds and stops at 1 food item. Payout for each food item as follows

tomato 5x
cabbage 5x
carrot 5x
Corn 5x
hot dog 10x
​
​
kabobs 15x
turkey 25x
steak 45x

​
you choose the amount and food you'd like to bet on.​
You can bet up to 6 kinds of food there is no limit for amount of wager​
​
​
​
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slowpepper said:
Its a spinning wheel. It has 8 food items. Tomato, cabbage, corn, carrot,
hot dog,
kabobs, turkey, and
steak.

The wheel spins for 10 seconds and stops at 1 food item. Payout for each food item as follows

tomato 5x
cabbage 5x
carrot 5x
Corn 5x
hot dog 10x
​
​
kabobs 15x
turkey 25x
steak 45x

​
you choose the amount and food you'd like to bet on.​

You can bet up to 6 kinds of food there is no limit for amount of wager​
​
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There is a simple way to break even - every time. Just don't play the game. Done.
 
slowpepper said:
_______________hot dog
________________10x
______tomato__________kabobs
________5x______________15x
_____cabbage________________turkey
_______5x___________________ 25x
________corn_________ steak
_________5x___________45x
______________carrot
________________5x

Rules
1. Please choose the amount and food you'd like to bet on.
2. You can bet up to 6 kinds of food
there is no limit for amount of wager
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Your post makes no sense as shown. What have you tried to solve your problem? Where are you stuck? It is hard to help you if we do not know where you are stuck.
 
If, as I read this, these 8 items are equally likely, bet on that item with the highest payout- "steak" with a payout of 45 times the amount bet. Since there are 8 items and all are equally likely, the probability or each is 1/8. Betting A dollars on "steak" gives an expected value or (45/8)A= 5 and 5/8 times the amount bet.
 
tkhunny said:
There is a simple way to break even - every time. Just don't play the game. Done.
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Break even?? I'll play this game all day long. I'd even borrow money from Denis even with his loan shark interest rates.
 
My strategy for the game is to wager
$2 each on salad; tomato, cabbage, carrot, corn.
$1 on hot dog. $1 on kabobs.
If the wheel lands on 1 of the salad I break even.
If the wheel lands on hot dog I break even.
I win $5 profit when the wheel lands on kabobs.

I don't wager on turkey or steak because the wheel rarely lands on turkey or steak.
also I am only allowed to wager up to
6 kinds of food.

It is profitable for me to have a friend wager on
turkey and steak?

What is the best strategy if I work together as a team with my friend or just play the game myself?​
​
​
 
slowpepper said:
… the wheel rarely lands on turkey or steak …
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Are you making up the situation as we go through it?

If you expect useful replies, you ought to provide us with all of the rules, conditions, definitions, exceptions, and other pertinent information up front, instead of feeding us little bits of it over time.

You asked whether the game is unbeatable. I still don't understand what it means for a single person playing to beat the game. :(
 
slowpepper said:
Its a spinning wheel. It has 8 food items. Tomato, cabbage, corn, carrot,
hot dog,
kabobs, turkey, and
steak.

The wheel spins for 10 seconds and stops at 1 food item. Payout for each food item as follows

tomato 5x
cabbage 5x
carrot 5x
Corn 5x
hot dog 10x
​
​
kabobs 15x
turkey 25x
steak 45x

​
you choose the amount and food you'd like to bet on.​

You can bet up to 6 kinds of food there is no limit for amount of wager​
​
​
​
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Is the wheel equally divided among the 8 choices???
 
Looks to me like:
8 cards, labelled 5,5,5,5,10,15,25,45
Shuffle the d*mn minideck, then pick at random; same thing, right?
 
Denis said:
Huh? What's your point: 4 salads out of 8 items is evidently 50%.
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yes you are right. but the probability of the wheel landing on steak is not 1/8. It less than 1/8 since the payout is 45x. it's less than 1/8 but I don't the the % .
 
slowpepper said:
yes you are right. but the probability of the wheel landing on steak is not 1/8. It less than 1/8 since the payout is 45x. it's less than 1/8 but I don't the the % .
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Look, the wheel is partitioned into 8 parts. Unless you tell us the size, angle, etc of each part then we can't help you at all. Don't you see that? Seriously, why not tell us the whole problem at once?
 
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Jomo said:
Look, the wheel is partitioned into 8 parts. Unless you tell us the size, angle, etc of each part then we can't help you at all. Don't you see that? Seriously, why not tell us the whole problem at once.
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The game/program/wheel is ran on an app on a smartphone. there are no size or angle.
 
Jomo said:
Look, the wheel is partitioned into 8 parts. Unless you tell us the size, angle, etc of each part then we can't help you at all. Don't you see that? Seriously, why not tell us the whole problem at once?
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Assuming the "parts" sizes are related to the payoff amount,
i.e. the larger the amount, the smaller the size: right, Jomo?

Then I make it as following:

A,B,C,D = the 4 salads, E = hotdog, F = kabob, G = turkey, H = steak
A: 9 * 5 = 45
B: 9 * 5 = 45
C: 9 * 5 = 45
D: 9 * 5 = 45
E: 9/2 *10 = 45
F: 3 * 15 = 45
G: 9/5 * 25 = 45
H: 1 * 45 = 45

9 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9/2 + 3 + 9/5 + 1 = 463/10

A: 90/463 = 19.4%
B: 90/463 = 19.4%
C: 90/463 = 19.4%
D: 90/463 = 19.4% : so ~77.6% chance of at least 1 salad
E: 45/463 = 9.7%
F: 30/463 = 6.5%
G: 18/463 = 3.9%
H: 10/463 = 2.3%
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TOTAL........100%

Am I going to explain that further? Answer: NO!!
 
slowpepper said:
… The game/program/wheel is ran (sic) on an app on a smartphone …
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Wow. I think you've really wasted your time, keeping this information to yourself until now, because I suspect there's no way (without you first providing reams of actual play data) for anybody here to confirm how the developer coded the simulated spin of some type of virtual wheel or what math steps (valid or not) they used to determine any output.

You ought to direct your questions to the app developer!
 
Denis said:
Assuming the "parts" sizes are related to the payoff amount,
i.e. the larger the amount, the smaller the size: right, Jomo?

Then I make it as following:

A,B,C,D = the 4 salads, E = hotdog, F = kabob, G = turkey, H = steak
A: 9 * 5 = 45
B: 9 * 5 = 45
C: 9 * 5 = 45
D: 9 * 5 = 45
E: 9/2 *10 = 45
F: 3 * 15 = 45
G: 9/5 * 25 = 45
H: 1 * 45 = 45

9 + 9 + 9 + 9 + 9/2 + 3 + 9/5 + 1 = 463/10

A: 90/463 = 19.4%
B: 90/463 = 19.4%
C: 90/463 = 19.4%
D: 90/463 = 19.4% : so ~77.6% chance of at least 1 salad
E: 45/463 = 9.7%
F: 30/463 = 6.5%
G: 18/463 = 3.9%
H: 10/463 = 2.3%
----------------------
TOTAL........100%

Am I going to explain that further? Answer: NO!!
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Denis you are a genius. Assuming your numbers are correct. Can I win this game playing with 2 people as a team?​
 
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