Question regarding finding this limit.

pinkphiloyd

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First, here's my backstory. Feel free to skip this paragraph if you'd like. I'm going back to school for a second Bachelor's beginning in January. I took Cal I as an elective the first time around and did well, but that was in 2009. My intention was to review through trig and take Cal I again, but after talking with my advisor, his advice was to review through Cal I and pick up immediately at Cal II, as this would allow me to finish my new pursuit in 2 years as opposed to 3. So, here I am. Trying to relearn Calculus after having done nothing but some basic Algebra since 2009. I've been using Khan academy to review. (I have ordered a couple of well reviewed texts to use as well, but they haven't arrived yet.) I started Algebra and Trig there, worked for a couple of weeks, and then decided it would be more efficient to move to the calculus and review other topics as they came up and I needed them. Maybe that's my mistake, although I actually feel like it's been going pretty well so far.


Okay, with that out of the way, here's my question. I feel like I'm missing something really, really obvious here and I'm gonna kick myself after I ask.

I encountered this problem on Khan academy. I came up with the right answer, but I cheated by determining that answer graphically. After doing so, I clicked the hints so that I could see and review what was actually going on.



Try multiplying by a form of 1 using the conjugate of the radical expression:

. . . . .\(\displaystyle \displaystyle \lim_{x\, \rightarrow\, \infty}\, \left(\, \sqrt{\strut 9x^2\, +\, 4x\,}\, -\, 3x\right)\, \cdot\, \left( \dfrac{\sqrt{\strut 9x^2\, +\, 4x\,}\, +\, 3x}{\sqrt{\strut 9x^2\, +\, 4x\,}\, +\, 3x}\right)\)

Simplify this rather complicated-looking expression:

. . . . .\(\displaystyle \displaystyle \lim_{x\, \rightarrow\, \infty}\, \dfrac{ (9x^2\, +\, 4x)\, -\, 9x^2}{\sqrt{\strut 9x^2\, +\, 4x\,}\, +\, 3x}\, =\, \) \(\displaystyle \,\color{blue}{\lim_{x\, \rightarrow \, \infty}\, \dfrac{4x}{\sqrt{\strut 9x^2\, +\, 4x\,}\, +\, 3x}}\)

Now divide the numerator and the denominator by 1 in the form of \(\displaystyle \,\color{red}{\mathbf{\mathit{\dfrac{x}{x}:}}}\)

. . . . .\(\displaystyle \displaystyle \color{red}{ \mathbf{ \lim_{x\, \rightarrow\, \infty}\, \dfrac{ \dfrac{4\mathit{x}}{\mathit{x}} }{ \dfrac{ \sqrt{\strut 9\mathit{x}^2\, +\, 4\mathit{x}\,} }{\mathit{x}}\, +\, \dfrac{3\mathit{x}}{\mathit{x}} } }}\, \) \(\displaystyle \, =\, \lim_{x\, \rightarrow\, \infty}\, \dfrac{4}{\dfrac{ \sqrt{\strut 9x^2\, +\, 4x\,} }{x}\, +\, 3 }\)

Recall from algebra that \(\displaystyle \, \sqrt{\strut x^2\,}\, =\, x\, \) for positive values of \(\displaystyle \, x.\)

. . . . .\(\displaystyle \displaystyle \lim_{x\, \rightarrow\, \infty}\, {\dfrac{ \sqrt{\strut 9x^2\, +\, 4x\,} }{x}\, +\, 3 }\, =\, \lim_{x\, \rightarrow\, \infty}\, \dfrac{4}{ \sqrt{\strut \dfrac{9x^2}{x^2}\, +\, \dfrac{4x}{x^2}\,}\, +\, 3 }\, =\, \lim_{x\, \rightarrow\, \infty}\, \dfrac{4}{\sqrt{\strut 9\, +\, \dfrac{4}{x}\,}\, +\, 3}\)

As \(\displaystyle \,x\,\) increases without bound, \(\displaystyle \, \dfrac{4}{x}\, \) approaches \(\displaystyle \, 0.\,\) Thus we have:

. . . . .\(\displaystyle \displaystyle \lim_{x\, \rightarrow\, \infty}\, \dfrac{4}{\sqrt{\strut 9\, +\, \dfrac{4}{x}\,}\, +\, 3}\, =\, \dfrac{4}{\sqrt{\strut 9\,+\,0\,}\, +\, 3}\, =\, \dfrac{4}{\sqrt{\strut 9\,}\, +\, 3}\, =\, \dfrac{4}{3\, +\, 3}\, =\, \dfrac{4}{6}\, =\, \dfrac{2}{3}\)



So. I'm good with everything except the bit in red. I can get to the bit in blue, no problem. I understand that the part circled in blue needs further simplification. After we do the bit circled in red (divide by x/x), I can manipulate the problem the rest of the way and get you to the solution. I'm just fuzzy on why we divided by x/x. How did we know that that's what we needed to do? I appreciate the help.
 
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The "why" is "because we've been doing this for a long time, so we've seen other people use this trick often enough that we've noticed how well it works". In other words, it's only a matter of experience. And now that you've seen it, you'll be able to apply it to other limits in the future. ;)
 
Awesome. It does seem like I vaguely remember it from the first time around, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't not understanding something I should be understanding. Thank you!
 
As stapel say, experience. I would do it a slightly different way but get the same result of course:
\(\displaystyle \underset{x\, \to \, \infty}{lim}\, \dfrac{4x}{\sqrt{\strut 9x^2\, +\, 4x\,}\, +\, 3x}\, =\, \underset{x\, \to \, \infty}{lim}\, \dfrac{4x}{x\, [\sqrt{\strut 9\, +\, \frac{4}{x}\,}\, +\, 3]}\)

EDIT: I figured you could get this but, now that I'm not in a hurry, I'll finish it
\(\displaystyle =\, \underset{x\, \to \, \infty}{lim}\, \dfrac{4}{\sqrt{\strut 9\, +\, \frac{4}{x}\,}\, +\, 3}\)
\(\displaystyle =\, \dfrac{4}{6}\, =\, \dfrac{2}{3} \)
see, I told you it was the same answer:p
 
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Reason for x/x

The reason top and bottom were multiplied by 1/x was to get rid of x's. As the red text showed, the fraction was still ∞/∞. By dividing out the x's, all that remained were fractions of the form 1/x^n, which go to zero as x->∞. Ishuda's rewrite shows that after the division, the x's cancel up and down. Then the limit can be safely taken.
 
Thanks again to both of you.

Looking at this again this morning, it's clear as day and seems completely obvious. So much so that I don't even really know how I could have been confused. Crazy.
 
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