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Perdurat

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sin⁡(πx2)=4xπ\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{2}\right)=\frac{4x}{\pi}
i know this resolves in a constant (0.6995<x<0.6996), is there a way to express this constant as in x = ...

thanks for your help
 
Perdurat said:
this resolves in a constant (0.6995<x<0.6996), is there a way to express this constant as in x = ...
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Hi Perdurat. I think that value of x can only be approximated. The equation equates an algebraic function with a transcendental function. (Your question is similar to asking, "What is the exact value of pi".)

There are two additional solutions, one of which is an Integer. :)
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Perdurat said:
sin⁡(πx2)=4xπ\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{2}\right)=\frac{4x}{\pi}
i know this resolves in a constant (0.6995<x<0.6996), is there a way to express this constant as in x = ...

thanks for your help
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Well there is, but are you sure that you want to see it?

x=56π2+13π8(2−69672960π16−2128896π18+4854321355161600π32+296652971704320π34+11611416821760π36)1/3−4032π4(2−69672960π16−2128896π18+4854321355161600π32+296652971704320π34+11611416821760π36)1/3≈0.6995\displaystyle x = \sqrt{\frac{56}{π^2} + \frac{1}{3 π^8 \left(\frac{2}{-69672960 π^{16} - 2128896 π^{18} + \sqrt{4854321355161600 π^{32} + 296652971704320 π^{34} + 11611416821760 π^{36}}}\right)^{1/3}} - 4032 π^4 \left(\frac{2}{-69672960 π^{16} - 2128896 π^{18} + \sqrt{4854321355161600 π^{32} + 296652971704320 π^{34} + 11611416821760 π^{36}}}\right)^{1/3}} \approx 0.6995


x=−56π2+13π8(2−69672960π16−2128896π18+4854321355161600π32+296652971704320π34+11611416821760π36)1/3−4032π4(2−69672960π16−2128896π18+4854321355161600π32+296652971704320π34+11611416821760π36)1/3≈−0.6995\displaystyle x = -\sqrt{\frac{56}{π^2} + \frac{1}{3 π^8 \left(\frac{2}{-69672960 π^{16} - 2128896 π^{18} + \sqrt{4854321355161600 π^{32} + 296652971704320 π^{34} + 11611416821760 π^{36}}}\right)^{1/3}} - 4032 π^4 \left(\frac{2}{-69672960 π^{16} - 2128896 π^{18} + \sqrt{4854321355161600 π^{32} + 296652971704320 π^{34} + 11611416821760 π^{36}}}\right)^{1/3}} \approx -0.6995

I hope that Mr.Otis is now convinced that this is my 10001000 complicated approximation 🙂

Note: I have put == there in purpose.
 
blamocur said:
I'd be surprised if there were an exact analytical expression for the solution.
Just curious: where does this problem come from?
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I was playing around with a graphing calculator (desmos)

starting off with:

y=x2y=x^{2}
within the interval -1<x<+1, I tried to approximate the curve with a trigonometric function:

y=−cos⁡(π2x)+1y=-\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}x\right)+1
for the value x=-1, 0 and +1 both functions yield the same result (1, 0 and 1 resp.)

next I asked myselve for which value in between, the difference beween both functions would yield the biggest difference (derrivative):

(−cos⁡(π2x)−x2+1)dx/dt(-\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}x\right)-x^{2}+1)dx/dt
this yields:

πsin⁡(πx2)2−2x\frac{\pi\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{2}\right)}{2}-2x
since for a max and min, the derrivative yields 0 :

πsin⁡(πx2)2−2x=0\frac{\pi\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{2}\right)}{2}-2x = 0
or:

sin⁡(πx2)=4xπ\sin\left(\frac{\pi x}{2}\right)=\frac{4x}{\pi}
expressing the distance of two parallel lines to the Y axis (+-X)

so now I was trying to find an expression for this value
 
mario99 said:
Well there is, but are you sure that you want to see it?

x=56π2+13π8(2−69672960π16−2128896π18+4854321355161600π32+296652971704320π34+11611416821760π36)1/3−4032π4(2−69672960π16−2128896π18+4854321355161600π32+296652971704320π34+11611416821760π36)1/3≈0.6995\displaystyle x = \sqrt{\frac{56}{π^2} + \frac{1}{3 π^8 \left(\frac{2}{-69672960 π^{16} - 2128896 π^{18} + \sqrt{4854321355161600 π^{32} + 296652971704320 π^{34} + 11611416821760 π^{36}}}\right)^{1/3}} - 4032 π^4 \left(\frac{2}{-69672960 π^{16} - 2128896 π^{18} + \sqrt{4854321355161600 π^{32} + 296652971704320 π^{34} + 11611416821760 π^{36}}}\right)^{1/3}} \approx 0.6995


x=−56π2+13π8(2−69672960π16−2128896π18+4854321355161600π32+296652971704320π34+11611416821760π36)1/3−4032π4(2−69672960π16−2128896π18+4854321355161600π32+296652971704320π34+11611416821760π36)1/3≈−0.6995\displaystyle x = -\sqrt{\frac{56}{π^2} + \frac{1}{3 π^8 \left(\frac{2}{-69672960 π^{16} - 2128896 π^{18} + \sqrt{4854321355161600 π^{32} + 296652971704320 π^{34} + 11611416821760 π^{36}}}\right)^{1/3}} - 4032 π^4 \left(\frac{2}{-69672960 π^{16} - 2128896 π^{18} + \sqrt{4854321355161600 π^{32} + 296652971704320 π^{34} + 11611416821760 π^{36}}}\right)^{1/3}} \approx -0.6995

I hope that Mr.Otis is now convinced that this is my 10001000 complicated approximation 🙂

Note: I have put == there in purpose.
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you're out of my league, by a few lightyears or so
 
blamocur said:
Something tells me that @mario99 is joking. Wonder if that huge expression evaluates to close to 0.
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I don't doubt the expression evaluates to the correct answer, but many expressions result in the same numerical value. I would like to see the approximation method that arrives at that specific expression.
 
BigBeachBanana said:
If you say so, but I urge the OP not to trust the result until the process is verified.
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option 1: the monster equation yields the result (+-0.6995...) (i do not understand the method)
option 2: mario typed in the equation in desmos or the like (from which I started) (a) and then added the monster as a joke
(a) this would be indirect proof that the earth is round, untill the monster is confirmed ligid, i shall remain confident that the earth is flat 8-)
 
Perdurat said:
option 1: the monster equation yields the result (+-0.6995...) (i do not understand the method)
option 2: mario typed in the equation in desmos or the like (from which I started) (a) and then added the monster as a joke
(a) this would be indirect proof that the earth is round, untill the monster is confirmed ligid, i shall remain confident that the earth is flat 8-)
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Desmos is crazy. It gives that the two functions meet each other at x=0.7x = 0.7. I thought that he is so precise!

🥶
 
mario99 said:
Nice one to get the point by using the derivative of each function.
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anyway i calculated the monster : 2,75885829529689

this:
-not necessarily disproves that the earth is flat
-definitely proves your real name is not Mario Ramanujan
since a joke can only be considered to be a good joke if the laughter consumes more time than the telling,
the question remains: did I spent more time in xls calculating it, or did you spent more time in latex creating it
(for it=monster)







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Perdurat said:
anyway i calculated the monster : 2,75885829529689

this:
-not necessarily disproves that the earth is flat
-definitely proves your real name is not Mario Ramanujan
since a joke can only be considered to be a good joke if the laughter consumes more time than the telling,
the question remains: did I spent more time in xls calculating it, or did you spent more time in latex creating it
(for it=monster)
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Then, your calculator is not a good calculator. How did you calculate it?
 
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