Tangent lines to sqrt(x) + sqrt(y) = 1

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Hi guys

First post here so I don't know how I'm supposed to approach this site, but basically I'm having some (possibly stupid) trouble with a bit of basic algebra in a calculus question:

The Question
Consider drawing some straight lines to form a pattern. Join a line from (0.1,0) to the point (0,0.9), then join (0.2,0) to (0,0.8), etc. In general, consider joining the points (a,0) to (0,b), where a+b=1 and 0<a, b<1.
In this question we hope to find that all these lines are tangent to the curve at sqrt(x) +sqrt(y) = 1 (with 0<x, y<1)

From the first and second parts to this question, I learn that bx+ay=ab when joining (a,0) and (b,0). I also learn that the derivative to this expression is -sqrt(y/x)

Part c, however, asks me to "Let (p,q) be a point on the curve sqrt(x) + sqrt(y) = 1. Show that the tangent line to this curve at (p,q) has the equation

x*sqrt(q)+y*sqrt(p)=sqrt(pq)

Then, explain why this line, as well as the line from part a) (bx+ay=ab) are the same."

Now I didn't have any trouble proving part a or b, but when I got to c, I found that


x*sqrt(q) + y*sqrt(p) = p*sqrt(q) + q*sqrt(p)


Instead of sqrt(pq)


This answer was obtained by using the linear formula. I knew that the gradient of this line had to be -sqrt(q/p) (carrying on from part b). I also knew that the point (p,q) lay somewhere on this curve.


Using this knowledge, I solved using the formula y-y1 = m(x-x1). giving me the result mentioned above.


I know that this must lie on the curve sqrt(x)+sqrt(y)=1, so therefore we have sqrt(p)+sqrt(q)=1. My problem is in rearranging x*sqrt(q) + y*sqrt(p) = p*sqrt(q) + q*sqrt(p) to give x*sqrt(q)+y*sqrt(p)=sqrt(pq)... and for some reason, my algebra has failed me!!

If anyone knows where I'm going wrong, and how I can approach this probably simple problem, your help will be much appreciated.
 
...I know that this must lie on the curve sqrt(x)+sqrt(y)=1, so therefore we have sqrt(p)+sqrt(q)=1. My problem is in rearranging x*sqrt(q) + y*sqrt(p) = p*sqrt(q) + q*sqrt(p) to give x*sqrt(q)+y*sqrt(p)=sqrt(pq)... and for some reason, my algebra has failed me!!

If anyone knows where I'm going wrong, and how I can approach this probably simple problem, your help will be much appreciated.
Don't slap yourself up side the head. It hurts! I know from personal experience:)

x*sqrt(q) + y*sqrt(p) = p*sqrt(q) + q*sqrt(p) = sqrt(pq) [ sqrt(p) + sqrt(q) ]
 
Don't slap yourself up side the head. It hurts! I know from personal experience:)

x*sqrt(q) + y*sqrt(p) = p*sqrt(q) + q*sqrt(p) = sqrt(pq) [ sqrt(p) + sqrt(q) ]


Thankyou so much! If you believe it, I still had to stare at this for a while before I got it, and realized how basic this was...

If anyone reads this thread and still doesn't get it, I found that writing it out step by step made more sense

p*sqrt(q) + q*sqrt(p)

= sqrt(p)2 * sqrt(q) + sqrt(q)2 * sqrt(p)

= [sqrt(p) + sqrt(q)] * sqrt(p) * sqrt(q)

= [sqrt(p) + sqrt(q)] * sqrt(pq)

= sqrt (pq) ......................Where (sqrt(p) + sqrt(q)) = 1

It all makes sense now!

Thanks for your help, Ishuda!!
 
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Hey again, been a while but I have a follow up question to this one; I got through this question fine, but it turned out my "proof" that the line bx+ay=ab is the same as the tangent line to sqrt(x)+sqrt(y)=1 was invalid. Any ideas how this might have been achieved? I just went with simply graphing the function, and comparing. How could this proof be achieved algebraically?

Known:
a+b=1
0<a, b<1
dy/dx = -sqrt(y/x) (of sqrt(x) + sqrt(y) = 1)
m= -b/a (of the first function)

Any clues?
 
Hey again, been a while but I have a follow up question to this one; I got through this question fine, but it turned out my "proof" that the line bx+ay=ab is the same as the tangent line to sqrt(x)+sqrt(y)=1 was invalid. Any ideas how this might have been achieved? I just went with simply graphing the function, and comparing. How could this proof be achieved algebraically?

Known:
a+b=1
0<a, b<1
dy/dx = -sqrt(y/x) (of sqrt(x) + sqrt(y) = 1)
m= -b/a (of the first function)

Any clues?
let a=sqrt(q) and b=sqrt(p). For example if a=4 then let q=16, ie, q=a^2. Note that both a+b and sqrtp + sqrtq both equal 1.
 
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